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K Anders's avatar

As an OC Instructor qualified under Chuck Haggard, I approve this message. OC is a great tool in the proper context.

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personally, I'm a big fan of the gel. It's what we used in BPD, we had the spray in Uncle's nuclear powered canoe club, and if the mutt is wearing glasses, or even worse, safety goggles, it doesn't work worth a shit. The gel, if you lay it just above the glasses runs down behind them, and works just fine.

Short story about application:

We had a senior officer, with around 15 years on the force, respond to a noise complaint in Section 8 housing. During his dealings with the individual, as they were talking through a patio sliding door, he made a huge error. He relaxed.

He placed his right (gun, in his case) hand on the door jam. Yeah, I can hear the winces from here. As you guessed, this 10-28 decided that "this interview is over" by slamming the door shut. He almost got free.

Almost.

The door got shut severing his right index finger at the base. He immediately calls for help, of course, and since this is literally across the street from where the department office was at the time, response was immediate and full.

When we got there, our officer was in a full fetal cradling his hand and crying. His finger was still twitching inside. Mutt is nowhere to be found.

So we roll a band aide box, and go inside--After announcing ourselves.

We clear the place, and find her in the shower. Seems she got some blood on herself, and wanted to shower it off!

So we tell her to get out of the shower, while covering her with our pistols... and she refuses.

Lead officer again tells her to get out of the shower.

"No" and continues to shower.

Out comes the can, he shakes it up, and says "last chance, get out, or I will pepper spray you."

She turns and says "no" and gets hit in the face with gel before she can turn back. (now I should mention the shower is HOT.

Well, she turns back into the water flow and it runs down her front. She's now screaming, and washing vigorously. (this does not help her)

Lead officer again commands "get out of the shower NOW."

No response, and no compliance. He checks to make sure the cover officers are covering her, then reaches in and turns off the shower. She turns to scream at him, while reaching to turn the water back on, and he empties the can all over her front.

She left in the second aid car, strapped to a gurney to be decontaminated at the hospital before being sent to KCSO jail, and to the best of my knowledge is still in Western State, un-prosecutable in the DA's opinion, due to mental instability. The injured officer never returned to duty, the finger was reattached, but he only regained about 20% use, and the city would not allow him to go back to work with only one functioning trigger finger.

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