My personal opinion. Jus soli if your parents are green card holders, or at least have an accepted application for a green card, and are merely waiting for it to come through.
They didn't have green cards back then, but that was the effective standard used to allow the citizenship of that Chinese guy Wong Kim Ark back in 1898
Parents were (at the time of his birth) legal permanent residents
Yup. My wife came here and earned her citizenship the old-fashioned way. At her peak, she was working two full-time jobs and two part-time jobs. 5 of her 6 siblings came here by way of chain immigration over a 10 year period, waiting in line and a $15K expense on my part (real money in 1970s dollars). The other brother came here on his own and joined the Navy. All by the book and legal. Three of my brothers-in-law earned U.S. citizenship by serving in the Navy. A CWO4 w/ 31 years, E-7 w/ 26 years, and E-4 w/ 4 years. 3 sisters-in-law immigrated legally, got jobs, earned their citizenship, prospered. None of them ever took a dime of welfare. I have no liking for illegal immigrants. They are no better than line jumpers at Popeye's Chicken...which chaps my ass.
I can see why Jus Sanguinus is not resisted by the US as we are a nation of immigrants brought together... well we USED to be brought together by a common ideology of the "land of opportunity. There is no "genetic nationality" like you see with other nations, as our ancestors came from all over the world. I see the need for some change away from Jus Soli.
That method of citizenship has become perverted by the common ideology held by most "immigrants" that come over thanks to Teddy Kennedy's removal of immigration quotas. Now it's all "loot the rich by any means necessary" because we have zero requirements made of those anchor babies and their parents, only the goodie grab bag.
I can see several "compromise" methods to this to discorage birth tourism.
"Jus Sanguinis THEN Jus Soli". meaning that until adulthood, they are considered to have dual citizenship with the "superior" status being that of Jus Sanguinis. No benefits, no rights and no goodies in the US till the child turns 18, and they had spent their lives in their parents home nation unless the parents are officially legal immigrants.
Jus Sanguinis AND Jus Soli: The child must have both, but that really is a severe overcorrection in my opinion.
Jus Soli raised by Jus Sanguinis: If you have a child in the US but are not US citizens, the child becomes a ward of the state and put up for adoption by natural US citizens by Jus Solis and Jus Sanguinis.
Those are only 3 layman ideas of ways to deal with this. The priviledges of citizenship shouldn't automatically transfer to the illegal parents who try to use this method to back door immigration, and who often have no interet or intent to integrate with American ideals and society. I saw a lot of this when in the Somali community when I drove school bus in the Twin Cities. They see it as a little colony they conquered. Not an ethnically similar community to integrate harmoniously with their new nation. I heard many stories on how the parents would immediately return to Somalia if the gravy train was cut off, but their daughters born in the US would be murdered for being too western. The act of wearing blue jeans under their burkhas and hijabs were death warrants, so they felt stuck, but okay with staying in their social services hammock made by the state and federal welfare apparatus.
Anyway, yes. We need massive changes, restart quotas to ease integration and expand LEGAL immigration to like minded cultures that believe and can add to our nation's greatness. Not just every thief, dopefiend or terrorist who only wants to sack the nation like Visigoths in Rome.
Concur. Blood rule. Also eliminate dual citizenship. Before y'all get riled up here's my reasoning. Citizenship ultimately is about allegiance and that implies some level of conflict of interest. Can't have allegiance to two kings (be that royalty, constitution or what have you). Pick one.
On that note interesting about Taiwan since China itself does not allow dual citizenship. Makes one wonder if China is just making noise about absorbing Taiwan.
My personal opinion. Jus soli if your parents are green card holders, or at least have an accepted application for a green card, and are merely waiting for it to come through.
Everyone else? Jus sanguinis.
They didn't have green cards back then, but that was the effective standard used to allow the citizenship of that Chinese guy Wong Kim Ark back in 1898
Parents were (at the time of his birth) legal permanent residents
I'd let the child's wait on the parents completing their citizenship.
Yup. My wife came here and earned her citizenship the old-fashioned way. At her peak, she was working two full-time jobs and two part-time jobs. 5 of her 6 siblings came here by way of chain immigration over a 10 year period, waiting in line and a $15K expense on my part (real money in 1970s dollars). The other brother came here on his own and joined the Navy. All by the book and legal. Three of my brothers-in-law earned U.S. citizenship by serving in the Navy. A CWO4 w/ 31 years, E-7 w/ 26 years, and E-4 w/ 4 years. 3 sisters-in-law immigrated legally, got jobs, earned their citizenship, prospered. None of them ever took a dime of welfare. I have no liking for illegal immigrants. They are no better than line jumpers at Popeye's Chicken...which chaps my ass.
I can see why Jus Sanguinus is not resisted by the US as we are a nation of immigrants brought together... well we USED to be brought together by a common ideology of the "land of opportunity. There is no "genetic nationality" like you see with other nations, as our ancestors came from all over the world. I see the need for some change away from Jus Soli.
That method of citizenship has become perverted by the common ideology held by most "immigrants" that come over thanks to Teddy Kennedy's removal of immigration quotas. Now it's all "loot the rich by any means necessary" because we have zero requirements made of those anchor babies and their parents, only the goodie grab bag.
I can see several "compromise" methods to this to discorage birth tourism.
"Jus Sanguinis THEN Jus Soli". meaning that until adulthood, they are considered to have dual citizenship with the "superior" status being that of Jus Sanguinis. No benefits, no rights and no goodies in the US till the child turns 18, and they had spent their lives in their parents home nation unless the parents are officially legal immigrants.
Jus Sanguinis AND Jus Soli: The child must have both, but that really is a severe overcorrection in my opinion.
Jus Soli raised by Jus Sanguinis: If you have a child in the US but are not US citizens, the child becomes a ward of the state and put up for adoption by natural US citizens by Jus Solis and Jus Sanguinis.
Those are only 3 layman ideas of ways to deal with this. The priviledges of citizenship shouldn't automatically transfer to the illegal parents who try to use this method to back door immigration, and who often have no interet or intent to integrate with American ideals and society. I saw a lot of this when in the Somali community when I drove school bus in the Twin Cities. They see it as a little colony they conquered. Not an ethnically similar community to integrate harmoniously with their new nation. I heard many stories on how the parents would immediately return to Somalia if the gravy train was cut off, but their daughters born in the US would be murdered for being too western. The act of wearing blue jeans under their burkhas and hijabs were death warrants, so they felt stuck, but okay with staying in their social services hammock made by the state and federal welfare apparatus.
Anyway, yes. We need massive changes, restart quotas to ease integration and expand LEGAL immigration to like minded cultures that believe and can add to our nation's greatness. Not just every thief, dopefiend or terrorist who only wants to sack the nation like Visigoths in Rome.
Concur. Blood rule. Also eliminate dual citizenship. Before y'all get riled up here's my reasoning. Citizenship ultimately is about allegiance and that implies some level of conflict of interest. Can't have allegiance to two kings (be that royalty, constitution or what have you). Pick one.
On that note interesting about Taiwan since China itself does not allow dual citizenship. Makes one wonder if China is just making noise about absorbing Taiwan.