“ you should probably research the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Chapter 35 before you go running off at the mouth, mmkay?”
Don’t hold your breath; these ninnies are allergic to actual research. And running off at the mouth is what they DO. They would have an easier time giving up eating.
I really wish more people would look deeper into the details of this trial.
Here is a big one: Why are there no African Americans on the jury? Because every African American in the jury pool said they would refuse to find Karmelo Anthony guilty or that they had other reasons they could not be on the jury.
Sad and scary. Provocation is in the eye of the beholder. What's the provocation? Slavery before 1863? Oppression, income inequity, systemic racism, disrespect...nth? The system might say "unprovoked", while the perp might say "provoked". Stabbing someone outside of legally established parameters is never OK and cannot be excused just because you've been inculcated into a victimology mindset and think you must maintain your human dignity when you think you have been disrespected by lashing out with swift violence. It is also sad that the Golden Rule has to be codified in such detail, which gets largely unread anyway.
None of these people were ever slaves. I have slaves in my ancestry (I'm half Irish and that's how some of us came to the New World - as slaves), but I don't go around with a chip on my shoulder. People seem to forget that line in Blazing Saddles where there were willing to take the former black slaves, but not the Irish, is based on actual history. It wasn't a joke, it was truth.
Every time I think of whining about my Welsh and generic Appalachian, Okie and Ozark ancestry I thank the Lord there's no drop of Irish in me. AFAIK. ☺
(Contractually obligated on the husband's side of the tax-free distillers. Personally, I admire all your efforts therein, and can sing you songs about it.)
Pretty much any place in the USA now too many folks think it’s acceptable. That’s why you see so much black on white crime and murder. And the people doing it don’t go to jail.
Nah, stats don't bear that out-- a more accurate pattern is that criminals who are routinely released and/or protected by their "community" do a lot of crime, which is why there are so very few dangerous hot-spots.
Grew up with illegals being the catch and release of choice. Love Iowa, when BLM had a plant chuck a frozen water bottle at the cops during a protest, the locals grabbed him by the collar and dragged him out of the crowd, over to the cops, instead of being human shields.
In this Century of the Fruitbat, this polarized world, jury nullification is a real thing irrespective of demographics. Take a stroll through Walmart to see where your jury pool comes from. Every American should be glad that those in that jury pool were honest enough to admit that they had reasons to refuse to find Karmelo Anthony guilty.
Depending on the ignoramus in question, wilful ignorance on the Left is either self protective (including against real violence) or a malevolent facade used by destructive revolutionaries.
Sure, it's on the Right, too. From 30,000 feet it looks as though most of the noise is coming from the malevolent.
The Anthony family has raised $600,000+. They rent a $900K house, have bought luxury cars and shopped at high-end stores. They are trying to raise more money for legals fees so that they don't have to rely on a public defender to get their son justice. Again, I am thinking also that this is the Century of the Fruitbat, as our host mentioned.
Self defense law is pretty similar everywhere. About 10 states have duty to retreat laws if you can do so safely. Even if TX was one of them (it isn't), the perp could have done so as the victim wasn't armed. To use the self defense plea, you have to admit you did it intentionally. So barring two tier justice, I would expect a guilty verdict.
Having served on a Texas jury and almost drafted into a six month stint on a grand jury, I'll say that the Texas Penal Code is well written and easily understandable by anyone with above average intelligence.
I feel sorry for Karmelo. Not because he's a feral human who needs to be locked up, because he is. But because I have no doubt that his family is stretching this farce out as long as possible to maximize their payday. I don't know Texas like Ian does, but in Tennessee he could have pled out to 10 to 15 and would have pulled 7 to 10. He might, and I stress might, have learned to be a functional human being. Or he'd drawn more time inside or had his attitude permanently adjusted.
Instead, I suspect that he well might draw life without parole.
Eh, Murder is a felony of the first degree. 5 to 99 years, or life, but parole is on the table.
Life Without Parole is only for Capital felonies.
I suspect he could have pled to Murder, but cited "immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause", and been sentenced to 2 to 20.
Tennessee is a little different. Or at least it was. We're not a uniform penal code state. So we have degrees of murder and manslaughter is a thing. I was just graduating from law school when they took misdemeanor manslaughter out of the TCA.
It's been a minute, but first degree was premeditated ( you intended to kill them)
Second was, "you didn't get into the fight meaning to kill em but you should have known what would happen if knifed him in the liver and twisted."
Same result if you are 2rd offense DUI and kill someone in an accident
Manslaughter is a friendly bar fight that nobody dreamed that breaking a barstool over Bubba's hard head would kill him.
Don't know about Commieformia; in NY, if you unjustifiably stick a knife in someone, that's Assault 2nd. If the person dies, that's a minimum of 3rd. degree Homicide. In this case, Mr. Anthony is guilty of 3rd, maybe 2nd degree Homicide in NYS
Although one of the things confusing the issue is that his expulsion was recent enough that it wasn't generally known, and most people thought he was still a student at the opposing school --- which is why he was asked to leave.
Which leads to the next talking point from the pro-Karmelo crowd: "You can't ask a black to leave, this ain't Jim Crow." He wasn't asked to leave because he was black; he was asked to leave because he didn't go to the school that tent was reserved for.
Writing as a gaffer and curmudgeon: I've carried knives since I was about seven. Back then, a pocketknife was a rite of passage. So, I can see a kid having one on his person. I add that when I gave Son & Heir a pocketknife as part of his 7th birthday, I was shocked to discover that [now] having a pocketknife at school is an offence on the order of Treason. Sic transit gloria mundi.
From what I've read of the situation, Karmelo could have retreated; he wasn't in a closed space, and the deceased [as far as I know from the press] didn't have a weapon in hand. Here in the Commonwealth, he'd have been charged with either Murder 2 or Manslaughter. From Ian's citation[s] he was appropriately charged under Texas law.
If you look at a lateral view of the chest, it's readily apparent that the heart is protected by bone, not depth. The trick would be getting betwixt the proper ribs. And FWIW, the pen blade of a pocketknife (also known as a penknife), about an inch in length, can sever the jugulars and carotids. I use it to open boxes, not needing to sharpen a writing quill.
If you're looking to do serious, intentional damage, go get a Ka-bar or a Fairbairn. The British and our Marines got it right.
I knew that anybody who read Terry Pratchett couldn't be all bad. Also sad about your dog. My late father used to say taking a dog into your house was like having a child but you know its going to die before you.
People like this have been gaslit by Hollywood and the DSA types that it is ok to kill another human being based on race and political belief. The easily convinced are in the position for contribute to a “go fund me” and give substantial financial reward to a person that started an argument with the intent of using a knife that he knew he wasnt supposed to have at the scene. Then the critter admitted to the crime when he was confronted by adults that caught him leaving the scene. This is not going the way the victims family thinks it will go. If there is a guilty verdict… I expect the usual suspects will promote shenanigans…
“ you should probably research the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Chapter 35 before you go running off at the mouth, mmkay?”
Don’t hold your breath; these ninnies are allergic to actual research. And running off at the mouth is what they DO. They would have an easier time giving up eating.
1. People are stoopid. 2. Hollywood not only can’t change #1, but actively contributes to it.
I really wish more people would look deeper into the details of this trial.
Here is a big one: Why are there no African Americans on the jury? Because every African American in the jury pool said they would refuse to find Karmelo Anthony guilty or that they had other reasons they could not be on the jury.
Kinda sad that so many black people in the country these days think that the unprovoked murder of white people is okay.
Sad and scary. Provocation is in the eye of the beholder. What's the provocation? Slavery before 1863? Oppression, income inequity, systemic racism, disrespect...nth? The system might say "unprovoked", while the perp might say "provoked". Stabbing someone outside of legally established parameters is never OK and cannot be excused just because you've been inculcated into a victimology mindset and think you must maintain your human dignity when you think you have been disrespected by lashing out with swift violence. It is also sad that the Golden Rule has to be codified in such detail, which gets largely unread anyway.
None of these people were ever slaves. I have slaves in my ancestry (I'm half Irish and that's how some of us came to the New World - as slaves), but I don't go around with a chip on my shoulder. People seem to forget that line in Blazing Saddles where there were willing to take the former black slaves, but not the Irish, is based on actual history. It wasn't a joke, it was truth.
Every time I think of whining about my Welsh and generic Appalachian, Okie and Ozark ancestry I thank the Lord there's no drop of Irish in me. AFAIK. ☺
But at least we make the best booze!
The Scots would beg to differ.
(Contractually obligated on the husband's side of the tax-free distillers. Personally, I admire all your efforts therein, and can sing you songs about it.)
I suspect "if I am publicly known to have said this guy is guilty-- as would be required for a guilty verdict-- my life is in danger."
Which is a known problem, and why some cases hide the jury's identity.
That's why you carry a pistol.
No, that's why I don't live in a "community" where there's a significant subpopulation that thinks murder to defend racial tribalism is acceptable!
Pretty much any place in the USA now too many folks think it’s acceptable. That’s why you see so much black on white crime and murder. And the people doing it don’t go to jail.
Nah, stats don't bear that out-- a more accurate pattern is that criminals who are routinely released and/or protected by their "community" do a lot of crime, which is why there are so very few dangerous hot-spots.
Grew up with illegals being the catch and release of choice. Love Iowa, when BLM had a plant chuck a frozen water bottle at the cops during a protest, the locals grabbed him by the collar and dragged him out of the crowd, over to the cops, instead of being human shields.
You gotta sleep some time.
And they'll wake you up breaking into your house.
You assume they are strangers.
In this Century of the Fruitbat, this polarized world, jury nullification is a real thing irrespective of demographics. Take a stroll through Walmart to see where your jury pool comes from. Every American should be glad that those in that jury pool were honest enough to admit that they had reasons to refuse to find Karmelo Anthony guilty.
There were three that made it through the selection process, and were removed because they were all teachers.
Sorry to hear about your dog
Yes, as am I.
Depending on the ignoramus in question, wilful ignorance on the Left is either self protective (including against real violence) or a malevolent facade used by destructive revolutionaries.
Sure, it's on the Right, too. From 30,000 feet it looks as though most of the noise is coming from the malevolent.
Well gosh darnit Ian. There ya go confusin' the issue with facts. Again. Poor abused internet peeps. /sarc/
Now do penalties if convicted of murder. That's a whole 'nuther bunch of fireworks.
The Anthony family has raised $600,000+. They rent a $900K house, have bought luxury cars and shopped at high-end stores. They are trying to raise more money for legals fees so that they don't have to rely on a public defender to get their son justice. Again, I am thinking also that this is the Century of the Fruitbat, as our host mentioned.
Self defense law is pretty similar everywhere. About 10 states have duty to retreat laws if you can do so safely. Even if TX was one of them (it isn't), the perp could have done so as the victim wasn't armed. To use the self defense plea, you have to admit you did it intentionally. So barring two tier justice, I would expect a guilty verdict.
Having served on a Texas jury and almost drafted into a six month stint on a grand jury, I'll say that the Texas Penal Code is well written and easily understandable by anyone with above average intelligence.
I feel sorry for Karmelo. Not because he's a feral human who needs to be locked up, because he is. But because I have no doubt that his family is stretching this farce out as long as possible to maximize their payday. I don't know Texas like Ian does, but in Tennessee he could have pled out to 10 to 15 and would have pulled 7 to 10. He might, and I stress might, have learned to be a functional human being. Or he'd drawn more time inside or had his attitude permanently adjusted.
Instead, I suspect that he well might draw life without parole.
Eh, Murder is a felony of the first degree. 5 to 99 years, or life, but parole is on the table.
Life Without Parole is only for Capital felonies.
I suspect he could have pled to Murder, but cited "immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause", and been sentenced to 2 to 20.
Tennessee is a little different. Or at least it was. We're not a uniform penal code state. So we have degrees of murder and manslaughter is a thing. I was just graduating from law school when they took misdemeanor manslaughter out of the TCA.
It's been a minute, but first degree was premeditated ( you intended to kill them)
Second was, "you didn't get into the fight meaning to kill em but you should have known what would happen if knifed him in the liver and twisted."
Same result if you are 2rd offense DUI and kill someone in an accident
Manslaughter is a friendly bar fight that nobody dreamed that breaking a barstool over Bubba's hard head would kill him.
Don't know about Commieformia; in NY, if you unjustifiably stick a knife in someone, that's Assault 2nd. If the person dies, that's a minimum of 3rd. degree Homicide. In this case, Mr. Anthony is guilty of 3rd, maybe 2nd degree Homicide in NYS
Who goes to a high school track meet (or whatever) and goes sitting in an opposing team's pop-up gazebo shaded spot Toting A KNIFE?
Seems pre-meditated to me. Anthony needs to swing.
He wasn't attending as a contestant, he'd been expelled from school.
General theory is he was there to steal.
Although one of the things confusing the issue is that his expulsion was recent enough that it wasn't generally known, and most people thought he was still a student at the opposing school --- which is why he was asked to leave.
Which leads to the next talking point from the pro-Karmelo crowd: "You can't ask a black to leave, this ain't Jim Crow." He wasn't asked to leave because he was black; he was asked to leave because he didn't go to the school that tent was reserved for.
Writing as a gaffer and curmudgeon: I've carried knives since I was about seven. Back then, a pocketknife was a rite of passage. So, I can see a kid having one on his person. I add that when I gave Son & Heir a pocketknife as part of his 7th birthday, I was shocked to discover that [now] having a pocketknife at school is an offence on the order of Treason. Sic transit gloria mundi.
From what I've read of the situation, Karmelo could have retreated; he wasn't in a closed space, and the deceased [as far as I know from the press] didn't have a weapon in hand. Here in the Commonwealth, he'd have been charged with either Murder 2 or Manslaughter. From Ian's citation[s] he was appropriately charged under Texas law.
How many of these knives were long enough to stab someone to the heart?
Every one, ma'am.
If you look at a lateral view of the chest, it's readily apparent that the heart is protected by bone, not depth. The trick would be getting betwixt the proper ribs. And FWIW, the pen blade of a pocketknife (also known as a penknife), about an inch in length, can sever the jugulars and carotids. I use it to open boxes, not needing to sharpen a writing quill.
If you're looking to do serious, intentional damage, go get a Ka-bar or a Fairbairn. The British and our Marines got it right.
"Without a lot of luck" was implied.
Regrettably, ma'am, my idea of "subtle" is a Pattern 17 Enfield. I'm a knuckle-dragging retired X-ray tech who spent far too much time on Trauma Call.
:hammers on the Did You Look At What The Law Actually Says desk, hard:
YES, THIS.
I knew that anybody who read Terry Pratchett couldn't be all bad. Also sad about your dog. My late father used to say taking a dog into your house was like having a child but you know its going to die before you.
People like this have been gaslit by Hollywood and the DSA types that it is ok to kill another human being based on race and political belief. The easily convinced are in the position for contribute to a “go fund me” and give substantial financial reward to a person that started an argument with the intent of using a knife that he knew he wasnt supposed to have at the scene. Then the critter admitted to the crime when he was confronted by adults that caught him leaving the scene. This is not going the way the victims family thinks it will go. If there is a guilty verdict… I expect the usual suspects will promote shenanigans…
Self defense doesn't apply, since Karmelo was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be.
He was asked to leave and instead, stabbed someone.