Why would we expect that? How many other false accusations get punished? The child support industry would collapse if false accusations by women were punished.
A lot of that fell apart when Amber Heard crapped the bed in the courtroom.
As for MeToo, they kinda backed away when they found that it was the wealthy Dem doners doing most of the creepy stuff. Epstein, Diddy, Weinstein, Peck, Masterson, and others were pretty firmly on the Left before they finally got caught.
To be fair, accusations about the connected creeps of the Oligarchy are usually open secrets, often for decades before anything happens. Everyone in DC knew that Rep. Sawell was a handsy perv long before the public did. Epstein was reported to the FBI back in the 90's. And Bill Clinton needs no backstory to fill in his philandering ways.
So, some poor chica (or dude) who gets grabbed by one of these powerful creeps is up against the full weight of a professional PR machine that can and will destroy that person's reputation publicly and privately- if they're lucky. One wonders how many potential Clinton accusers wound up mysteriously dead?
Well, no they didn't. It's just been moved further off the radar screen. I will promise you that in every day business, it's still being weaponized to let women get away with behavior / performance that would get a guy fired.
Women falsely accusing men of impropriety has been a thing forever, and will always be a thing. The reason is because it does happen, as men are physically stronger than women, & there's a lot of creepy men out there willing to take advantage. Look at the average run of Male Feminist Allies who are loudly supportive of Women's Rights while slipping mickeys into a gal's drink whenever they have a chance- or just go full on grab & go like Re. Sawell.
But false accusation are still a thing to be considered in the workplace. So, one has to take steps to protect themselves against them. Don't use the office as a potential dating pool. Be professional & respectful & avoid flirting. Avoid being isolated whenever possible- stuff like that.
Red flags for "mental health" conditions are going to be a moving target as the legally acceptable "state of our minds" is re defined via either new versions of the DSM or legislation.
Remember when you had to be insane not to understand that communism was in the best interests of mankind, so anti communist speech rated confinement in a nice Russian sanitarium?
Now, disagreeing in writing with our defacto rule by an unelected international oligarchy under a system of crony capitalism where PAC contributions are the only meaningful and legitimate form of political speech might just be deemed equally insane... Sauce for all the geese!
All good points, Billy. The DSM is written by psychologists. It lists and classifies mental ailments so that so that the Medical Professionals can accurately bill the insurance companies. Psychology is an inexact (non)science akin to voodoo. The older DSM's classified sexual deviancies and perversions as mental illnessess. The updated versions don't have much to say about outre sexual proclivities and behaviors.
Medicine is an exact science, just as fixed in precepts as, say, economics!
(I recall when blowing your own wife or asking for a BJ in the privacy of your own bedroom used to be legal grounds for a divorce… It was termed “mental cruelty”)
Whenever the criminal justice system finds a way to be flexible in dealing with those they deem are assholes they're never going to give up that tool. A rape is a rape is a rape regardless of the depth of penetration.
The military has some additional corrective opportunities for Blue Falcon mitigation, that are absent, or at least rather much rarer, in civilian life.
The government wouldn't besiege and kill US citizens for wrong think.
We still have the income tax. The New deal has long since shown itself to be awful and destructive. Waco texas, Ruby ridge, the viper militia, and many more were persecuted and killed by the government out of good intentions.
Quite frankly, if we're going to disarm anyone in the United states, it should be the majority of the United States government.
Dan Crenshaw is thankfully absent from the body politic, but we've still got Florida's Rick "Bullethead" Scott, who's shown a marked proclivity to throw firearm owners under the bus for his political benefit. He ramrodded many unwarranted and unconstitutional anti-gun rights laws, including an onerous Red Flag law, though the FL legislature in the emotional wake of the Parkland tragedy. Thereby assuring his election to the US Senate in the following weeks.
First let me say that "shall not be abridged" should be the end of the story. But second, I"m trying to picture gov't types NOT abusing red flag laws. Look what they do with "Civil Asset Forfeiture.
Well, copy-paste failed for a JPEG. The gist of it was Jefferson at the Constitutional Convention saying "I keep thinking we should include something in the Constitution in case the people elect a complete moron."
Well, take a look at the 535 potential felons, err, I mean 'Congress duly assembled.'
"I keep thinking we should include something in the Constitution in case the people elect a complete moron."
Well, the real problem there is the people being morons, first. That's what it takes to elect the people we have in office. There was a good reason Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Good point, sir. I note that Adams and his contemporaries regarded serving in the House or Senate as a public service. These days it's seen as a career, hence my reference to '535 potential felons'.
Each and every right communicated by the Constitution and granted by God is sacrosanct in the most aggressive sense of the word. Remember "trade safety for a little freedom" usually gets you socialism, communism, or fascism, not safety, and certainly not freedom. I find it strange that people even consider the arbitrary removal of rights as acceptable in any venue. Lose it and then cry about what you lost is not a viable strategy for a free people.
Well, it's a right THEY don't exercise. So they don't mind it being smashed under foot. And they're too short-sighted to theorize they might miss it at some point.
It was a realization I had while arguing way back when (probably high school) about stuffing bad guys into jail, and getting them there by any means necessary. Then I started to see how someone could stuff me in jail without having actually committed a real crime. And I realized why those protections (civil rights of various kinds) existed. But a great many people never really get to that point.
The only use of Red Flag (EPRO) Laws is to massage the Progressive desire to disarm We, the People. Even when in place, they are frequently abused.
Here in Good 'ol NYS, a classic example. The monster who perpetuated the May 14, 2022 massacre at the Tops Market in Buffalo, NY was identified as a threat prior to his High School graduation. Reported by his School, investigated by the New York State Police (no less), who determined he was not a threat. 6 months or so before he commits his carefully planned mayhem.
Yet, if I spoke my mind about the current political/social conditioning of this State, I'd get flagged quite quickly!
Thanks for writing that letter to Crenshaw. Wish I were that articulate. Too bad he likely never saw it...or, if he did, he round-filed it. They can have my firearms any time they want....one shot at a time.
I wonder what they would have done if Mr. Tyrmand had taken advantage of the RFO to hop a plane to Florida and kill Mr. O'Keefe? Do you think they'd have worn sad expressions and said Mae Culpas?
Why would we expect that? How many other false accusations get punished? The child support industry would collapse if false accusations by women were punished.
Heck, the entire #MeToo movement is based on the idea that any random woman can accuse any random man, and her word is sufficient evidence.
A lot of that fell apart when Amber Heard crapped the bed in the courtroom.
As for MeToo, they kinda backed away when they found that it was the wealthy Dem doners doing most of the creepy stuff. Epstein, Diddy, Weinstein, Peck, Masterson, and others were pretty firmly on the Left before they finally got caught.
To be fair, accusations about the connected creeps of the Oligarchy are usually open secrets, often for decades before anything happens. Everyone in DC knew that Rep. Sawell was a handsy perv long before the public did. Epstein was reported to the FBI back in the 90's. And Bill Clinton needs no backstory to fill in his philandering ways.
So, some poor chica (or dude) who gets grabbed by one of these powerful creeps is up against the full weight of a professional PR machine that can and will destroy that person's reputation publicly and privately- if they're lucky. One wonders how many potential Clinton accusers wound up mysteriously dead?
"As for MeToo, they kinda backed away"
Well, no they didn't. It's just been moved further off the radar screen. I will promise you that in every day business, it's still being weaponized to let women get away with behavior / performance that would get a guy fired.
Women falsely accusing men of impropriety has been a thing forever, and will always be a thing. The reason is because it does happen, as men are physically stronger than women, & there's a lot of creepy men out there willing to take advantage. Look at the average run of Male Feminist Allies who are loudly supportive of Women's Rights while slipping mickeys into a gal's drink whenever they have a chance- or just go full on grab & go like Re. Sawell.
But false accusation are still a thing to be considered in the workplace. So, one has to take steps to protect themselves against them. Don't use the office as a potential dating pool. Be professional & respectful & avoid flirting. Avoid being isolated whenever possible- stuff like that.
Pretty common in divorce cases.
You tally these things as flaws, when their proponents see them as value added features.
Quite above and beyond the factors called out?
Red flags for "mental health" conditions are going to be a moving target as the legally acceptable "state of our minds" is re defined via either new versions of the DSM or legislation.
Remember when you had to be insane not to understand that communism was in the best interests of mankind, so anti communist speech rated confinement in a nice Russian sanitarium?
Now, disagreeing in writing with our defacto rule by an unelected international oligarchy under a system of crony capitalism where PAC contributions are the only meaningful and legitimate form of political speech might just be deemed equally insane... Sauce for all the geese!
All good points, Billy. The DSM is written by psychologists. It lists and classifies mental ailments so that so that the Medical Professionals can accurately bill the insurance companies. Psychology is an inexact (non)science akin to voodoo. The older DSM's classified sexual deviancies and perversions as mental illnessess. The updated versions don't have much to say about outre sexual proclivities and behaviors.
Medicine is an exact science, just as fixed in precepts as, say, economics!
(I recall when blowing your own wife or asking for a BJ in the privacy of your own bedroom used to be legal grounds for a divorce… It was termed “mental cruelty”)
I remember when rape was a capital crime.
I remember when it was legally impossible to rape your wife.
And I remember when multiple women including numerous juveniles testifying to the same person having raped them would have resulted in an indictment.
Whenever the criminal justice system finds a way to be flexible in dealing with those they deem are assholes they're never going to give up that tool. A rape is a rape is a rape regardless of the depth of penetration.
Anyone who thinks a 24 hour suspension of civil rights is no big deal should be requested to go sit in the back of the bus.
Nyet, nyet, nyet, Comrade Clair. Is not request. Is order. Must they #10 bus route nighttime MLK Blvd to wear dollar bills pin on sweater.
Agreed. Including rights to due process and representation, to think of some others that are being left to situational interpretation recently.
Dan Crenshaw is, sadly, one of the biggest political disappointments of my lifetime.
People forget that just because someone has a good, exemplary, even heroic military record doesn't mean they'll be a good & honest public servant.
A DD214 should never, ever be a shield for bad behavior.
The military has some additional corrective opportunities for Blue Falcon mitigation, that are absent, or at least rather much rarer, in civilian life.
The government can't be trusted.
What was the promise, 40 acres and a mule?
The income tax was temporary for the war.
The New deal would save us all.
The government wouldn't besiege and kill US citizens for wrong think.
We still have the income tax. The New deal has long since shown itself to be awful and destructive. Waco texas, Ruby ridge, the viper militia, and many more were persecuted and killed by the government out of good intentions.
Quite frankly, if we're going to disarm anyone in the United states, it should be the majority of the United States government.
Well said.
Dan Crenshaw is thankfully absent from the body politic, but we've still got Florida's Rick "Bullethead" Scott, who's shown a marked proclivity to throw firearm owners under the bus for his political benefit. He ramrodded many unwarranted and unconstitutional anti-gun rights laws, including an onerous Red Flag law, though the FL legislature in the emotional wake of the Parkland tragedy. Thereby assuring his election to the US Senate in the following weeks.
Crenshaw in retrospect was an op from Day One.
WEF Young Global Leader? Let's talk about red flags, shall we?
First let me say that "shall not be abridged" should be the end of the story. But second, I"m trying to picture gov't types NOT abusing red flag laws. Look what they do with "Civil Asset Forfeiture.
Well, copy-paste failed for a JPEG. The gist of it was Jefferson at the Constitutional Convention saying "I keep thinking we should include something in the Constitution in case the people elect a complete moron."
Well, take a look at the 535 potential felons, err, I mean 'Congress duly assembled.'
"I keep thinking we should include something in the Constitution in case the people elect a complete moron."
Well, the real problem there is the people being morons, first. That's what it takes to elect the people we have in office. There was a good reason Adams said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Sigh
Good point, sir. I note that Adams and his contemporaries regarded serving in the House or Senate as a public service. These days it's seen as a career, hence my reference to '535 potential felons'.
Each and every right communicated by the Constitution and granted by God is sacrosanct in the most aggressive sense of the word. Remember "trade safety for a little freedom" usually gets you socialism, communism, or fascism, not safety, and certainly not freedom. I find it strange that people even consider the arbitrary removal of rights as acceptable in any venue. Lose it and then cry about what you lost is not a viable strategy for a free people.
Well, it's a right THEY don't exercise. So they don't mind it being smashed under foot. And they're too short-sighted to theorize they might miss it at some point.
It was a realization I had while arguing way back when (probably high school) about stuffing bad guys into jail, and getting them there by any means necessary. Then I started to see how someone could stuff me in jail without having actually committed a real crime. And I realized why those protections (civil rights of various kinds) existed. But a great many people never really get to that point.
The only use of Red Flag (EPRO) Laws is to massage the Progressive desire to disarm We, the People. Even when in place, they are frequently abused.
Here in Good 'ol NYS, a classic example. The monster who perpetuated the May 14, 2022 massacre at the Tops Market in Buffalo, NY was identified as a threat prior to his High School graduation. Reported by his School, investigated by the New York State Police (no less), who determined he was not a threat. 6 months or so before he commits his carefully planned mayhem.
Yet, if I spoke my mind about the current political/social conditioning of this State, I'd get flagged quite quickly!
Thanks for writing that letter to Crenshaw. Wish I were that articulate. Too bad he likely never saw it...or, if he did, he round-filed it. They can have my firearms any time they want....one shot at a time.
Hi from the choir!
I wonder what they would have done if Mr. Tyrmand had taken advantage of the RFO to hop a plane to Florida and kill Mr. O'Keefe? Do you think they'd have worn sad expressions and said Mae Culpas?
I, for one, doubt it.
Try this as a required provision to any Red Flag Law: From the
moment of first contact until return of weapons or exhaustion
of all appeals, the govt at its expense shall provide competent
legal counsel and an effective 24/7 personal protection detail.
"the govt at its expense shall provide competent legal counsel and an effective 24/7 personal protection detail"
They will happily do that. By throwing you in jail.
That's why you can't give them an inch.